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Post by Timewarp on Nov 13, 2012 15:35:59 GMT -5
So yeah George Lucas sold LucasFilm to Disney and now their making a new trilogy for the films. So Episode 7, 8 and 9 are happening now. I know after episodes 1-3 a lot of people have negative views on this news but I think it's great.
Disney is the best place for Star Wars, after all remember what Marvel fans thought when Disney bought out Marvel. All the jokes about how Disney characters would be put into Marvel cartoons and how it'd be focused more on kids becoming more family friendly. Then the avengers happened.
My point is Disney bring the best people for the right job, they got Joss Whedon in to do The Avengers (Avengers Assemble for us guys in the UK) and so far most if not all of the Marvel films under Disney's watch have been brilliant. Micheal Ardnt the academy award winner for films such as Toy Story 3 has been brought in to write the script, Harrison ford and Mark Hamil have already said they'd come into reprise their roles and all manner of other big names could be involved.
I don't care what the Star Wars mega nerds say this could be a great film trilogy (To be honest I didn't think the last three were really all that bad). My only beef is that we get one thing out in the open.
NO. EXTENDED. UNIVERSE.
If your expecting the extended universe just go. Yeah that's right, there's the door. Is he gone? Good, bolt the door shut to make sure. No clone emperor, no galaxy gun or Death Star 2 or anything, no clone Darth vader or evil clone Luke, no Sith Luke. NOTHING from the extended universe. If you want you can keep it as what it is and like it amongst yourselves but let's ignore the extended universe for the new trilogy.
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Post by Haunter 360 on Nov 14, 2012 10:45:31 GMT -5
Dang straight no Extended Universe.
That thing was dang silly.
Although, the Death Star 2 would've been the second Death Star, which they had in Return of the Jedi.
Me, I think Disney can't possibly do any worse than Lucasfilm, expecially after the whole editing-younger-Anakin-into-Return-of-the-Jedi.
Seeing that just gave me a whole new level of hatred toward Lucas.
I mean, what the HECK were they thinking?!
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Post by Timewarp on Nov 14, 2012 14:02:46 GMT -5
Yeah why would Anakin Skywalker come back as he's younger self?! They'd just bring back horrible memories, as weird as it was the whole Old Anakin was better then seeing Hayden Christian again, the lead actor from Titanic 2 was a better actor then him.
I guess DS 2 would be the one in Return of the Jedi (For the record build the same space station again was a stupid idea). I don't think Disney would be as bad as LucasFilm, from what I've always heard of them George Lucas always had this arrogant attitude as if he was responsible for the original trilogy being good (NOT by a longshot!) and that every idea needs to be passed by him to makes sure it passes he's standard of brilliance.
On the other side however Disney pick the right people for the right job. So I'm really excited for this. I'm just gonna avoid the internet from early 2013 till the heat death of the universe because you just know no matter how good this new trilogy is the alpha nerds are going to cry till even God himself tells them to shut up. The first three were never the best but I think a lot of people (myself included) really overplayed just how bad they were.
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Post by Haunter 360 on Nov 15, 2012 12:43:38 GMT -5
Well, okay, maybe they weren't quite as bad diving into a swimming pool full of rusty razorblades, but you have to remember that the prequel trilogy were preeeeeeeeeetty bad movies.
The characters were boring, the dialogue uninspired, and the plot was all over the place.
Star Wars functions best in simplicity - The trouble with the original trilogy was that they tried to do too much, so they pretty much ended up with a half-baked product.
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Post by Timewarp on Nov 16, 2012 14:55:37 GMT -5
I tend to think they were ok movies maybe not the best movies of all time and certainly not good Star Wars movie but I've always thought the biggest problem that some Star Wars fans had was that to me (much like the fanboys of anything) they thought that SW was such a big deal that when the films didn't live up to expectations and there wasn't such a big deal made out of it, that got to them. Nobody caring that the films they waited years to see weren't very good.
I agree with a lot of what you've said but I think they also had their moments, my main problems were the same as yours plus I don't know if you'll agree but I've always hated Prequels, the idea of a story were you already know the ending seems pointless to me, ok if you can show the journey from the beginning to end in an interesting and neat way then it's ok but like most Prequels SW 1-3 always had to kind of go "Hey, a weird and quirky robot and he's befriending a small R2 unit, guess who they are!" it wasn't subtly enough.
But I think most of the problems came from the fans being so negative towards The Phantom Menace that when LucasFilms made Episodes 2 and 3 they were trying too hard to just cram it full of everything that made the original trilogy good.
Bad ass Bounty Hunter? Check!
Hot Space Princess? Check
Han Solo Character? Check! (Well let me put it like this Hayden Christian is what Producers think Han Solo is like)
Surprise family revelation? Check!
Weird Slug monster? Check!
Stormtroopers? Check!
Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith weren't good because the fans complained so much about the first one that they were just "Please don't attack us again!" Also not to belittle you but boring characters, uninspiring dialogue and out of control plotlines is most of the hollywood movies we get these days. Have you seen action movies recently? Their less story and more tours of explosions. Don't get me wrong, I liked the original trilogy, I wouldn't want the director, scriptwriter or producer to touch the new trilogy with a 50ft pole.
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Post by Haunter 360 on Nov 17, 2012 13:04:31 GMT -5
Fair points through and through.
Still, I think Hayden Christian was preeeeeetty annoying.
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Post by Timewarp on Nov 18, 2012 6:59:50 GMT -5
Well that was never up for debate, Hayden Christian is the worst.
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Post by FlameMaster5 on Jan 29, 2014 23:45:10 GMT -5
Well that was never up for debate, Hayden Christian is the worst. I hate to be a hater, but I did NOT enjoy his performance myself. Pitiful it was! I am looking forward to what we will see from Disney. I'm a huge fan, and I can be skeptical, but it's not like it can really get any WORSE...can it? XD Hope not! But you are right, TW, they have a lot of good people being recruited for the job. That puts my nerves at ease at least. :3 |
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Post by Timewarp on Jan 30, 2014 10:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah, the problem with Hayden Christian was that they tried to push too much story into too short a space of time.
Anakin HAD to fall in love with Padme
Anakin HAD to have a reason to fall out with Obi
Anakin HAD to become friends with Palpatine
But the story was so involved with so many other details that we never got to see any of that so as I mentioned these plot details needed to be rushed. Now Hayden is a bad actor but it didn't help that they had his character falling in love with Padme so quickly or that Anakin seemingly went against Obi-Wan for the smallest of problems.
I think the biggest problem is that Anakin shouldn't have started as a child but as a Jedi Kngiht who was friends with Obi Wan who worked together. The whole "How does he become vader?" should have instead been a back story that was worked in while a different story with unique characters was used instead (Oh and NO C3PO or R2D2, their cool but Obi shouldn't know them)
When Anakin fell it should have been an epic fall from grace. A character who tried to kill a monster and found himself becoming one and it's that much worst if he'd had been a Jedi Knight trained by Obi-Wan himself. But yeah Hayden Christian was a bad choice for Anakin. Also I think the new movies will be brilliant, I hate prequels since you know who has to make it out of the film at the end, Anakin is going to die? No his not unless the guy in the Vader mask is a total liar and Obi-Wan became senile in his old age.
You see what I mean? We know half the details, we know Anakin has to turn bad but we don't know how and while Lucas was showing us how we needed a decent main story. Anakin becoming Vader should have been the backstory when it was instead made into the main plotline.
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Post by FlameMaster5 on Jan 30, 2014 12:07:23 GMT -5
Yes, I thoroughly agree on all of that.
Hmmm... You just made me rethink some plots of my own. Thank you. :3
Gotta admit, you knew exactly how to dissect what was wrong with the prequels - I mean, it SHOULD have been enjoyable, but with a weak structure all we as an audience had to fall back on was what we already knew was going to happen, and that kinda takes all the fun out of it. : /
I haven't read a lot of books past Return of the Jedi, so I'm really excited about what material they have to work with and present in film. I like watching movies and then reading the books a lot, just to see how they handled everything - you can't fit all info in the films, but you can or SHOULD be able to do it in good taste.
So, yeah. Really looking forward to it.
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Post by Timewarp on Jan 30, 2014 12:37:31 GMT -5
I'm happy to have helped. I always think that sometimes when you watch movies with bad stories sometimes it can help you to think over certain plot details. But I think mostly with the stories for these films people want something to happen so badly they forget to recall how the characters would actually act and that's the first part to a good story to me,
How do these characters behave? How would they react? I don't need to know their favorite colour but take Tony Stark for instance. In Civil War a lot of people argued that he wouldn't side with the government but that was taking a character who was anti-establishment but through it all hated this idea that what he used to do for a living got innocent people killed and then this super-hero team gets about 400 people killed in this explosion (similar to how Tony became Iron Man in the first place thus bringing up painful memories for the guy),
It all fails into place. Someone who wants to be anti-establishment but knows having the Super-Human Registration Act is the only way to prevent a repeat of what happened. I also think as a part-time story writer and anyone call me out if I'm wrong here but we sometimes don't like writing up bad things happening to our characters, it's like their family relatives and you wouldn't want to write up about how "My brother then had to be taken off life support" No that'd be harsh.
So sometimes I see writers for films/TV shows/comics/books and so on who are obviously writing in a wishy-washy happy ending so they can avoid something bad happening to a character they like. Sometimes bad things happen, that's how life works. Basically what I'm saying is when we write up stories sometimes (myself included) we forget to write how a character would act.
When I wrote up Timewarp it was because I wanted a character that was a sort of mockey and satire of the everyday hero archtype. A character who could pass themselves off as the hero but really the things he does makes you question "Ok how well do I really know this guy?"
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