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Post by Timewarp on Apr 20, 2014 8:49:42 GMT -5
Hey I've been noticing a growing trend in the Media lately and I just wanted to know: Since when did we decide that science was a bad thing? I'm seriously asking not as a joke but as a serious statement of the media's portrayal of science. I'm sure we can agree that if it wasn't for the human race's advancement of certain fields of science we wouldn't have the luxuries that we enjoy but there's a lot of films, games, tv shows that show in a negative light.
Even worse if even extends to basic knowledge, smart people can't be smart without having some form of flaw with their personality, the only smart character I can remember who was both a good guy (compared to the rest of the cast) and not too flawed was Tyrion Lannister from Game of Thrones. Most super-hero villains are evil scientists, the biggest sci-fi movies so far Transcendence is an entire run of "We shouldn't let the evil scientist have his own way because science is evil and A.I Technology is scary!" I'm getting worried that culture might be swaying to a such an extent that we're taught to be afraid of science and technology,
People always bring up the A-Bomb as a sign of the potential science has to be destructive yet we forget that it wasn't scientists who dropped the bomb on Japan but the US Government. Basically science is only used for evil means when we put stupid people in charge or at the very least an immoral bastard of a human being who gets to decide if it's ok to kill a thousand or so people for the sake of ending a war they started in the first place. (The Japanese bombed pearl habour, a military base so the Americans bombed a civilian occupied city which is TOTALLY the same thing but I won't draw into the politics of the US Government's hypocrisy)
Simple put. Why does it seem sometimes like the media is trying to convince us that science is evil? On it's own or that the people behind scientific advancements are evil?
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Post by FlameMaster5 on Apr 20, 2014 12:10:17 GMT -5
I have noticed this trend myself.
I have an interesting theory behind it.
There has always been a constant struggle between Religion and Science.
More and more, you see political arguments break out over these concepts of which is 'correct'/'right' and which isn't.
Somehow there is a rift in many peoples' minds that they think one can exist without the other, and that then the latter is considered wrong.
This may consciously or unconsciously play into media.
It may influence the trend we are seeing on one side of the argument.
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Post by CS Revolked on Apr 20, 2014 14:17:24 GMT -5
I have noticed this trend myself. I have an interesting theory behind it. There has always been a constant struggle between Religion and Science. More and more, you see political arguments break out over these concepts of which is 'correct'/'right' and which isn't. Somehow there is a rift in many peoples' minds that they think one can exist without the other, and that then the latter is considered wrong. This may consciously or unconsciously play into media. It may influence the trend we are seeing on one side of the argument. Which is funny, because religion causes most of the arguments and wars we have in this day and age.  |
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Post by Timewarp on Apr 20, 2014 14:32:50 GMT -5
I have noticed this trend myself. I have an interesting theory behind it. There has always been a constant struggle between Religion and Science. More and more, you see political arguments break out over these concepts of which is 'correct'/'right' and which isn't. Somehow there is a rift in many peoples' minds that they think one can exist without the other, and that then the latter is considered wrong. This may consciously or unconsciously play into media. It may influence the trend we are seeing on one side of the argument. Which is funny, because religion causes most of the arguments and wars we have in this day and age. Sorry if I come off blunt here but.. RELIGION ISN'T TO BLAME FOR THE WORK OF THE RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTI am just sick of this "Religion causes most arguments/wars" bullshit notion that atheist like to spread implying that if we crazy lunatics just take our mad stories and leave then everything will be better. News flash: No it won't, humans have been finding reasons to kill each other since the dawn of mankind and will be doing the same long after we're all dead. Most religions practice and preach peace, understanding between you and other people, forgiveness, putting aside your own ego to think off the needs of others. It's people who want to twist and contort the message that are to blame. Blaming religion is just as bad as blaming science, it's still taking something you have a limited understanding of and applying it to all the evil in the world. A simple: if we remove this then nothing bad will ever happen ever again. the issue of the ongoing threat of violence in our world is not going to be solved with a simple solution otherwise we would have solved it by now. Sorry and it's not you seriously I meant that and I am so sorry if I've come off aggressively but I am sick to death of having to explain why religious people are not inherently evil. As a christian I hate this notion that I should have to abandon my beliefs out of fear that other people might kill others based on them. |
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Post by Naraku on Apr 20, 2014 14:54:45 GMT -5
Which is funny, because religion causes most of the arguments and wars we have in this day and age. Sorry if I come off blunt here but.. RELIGION ISN'T TO BLAME FOR THE WORK OF THE RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTI am just sick of this "Religion causes most arguments/wars" bullshit notion that atheist like to spread implying that if we crazy lunatics just take our mad stories and leave then everything will be better. News flash: No it won't, humans have been finding reasons to kill each other since the dawn of mankind and will be doing the same long after we're all dead. Most religions practice and preach peace, understanding between you and other people, forgiveness, putting aside your own ego to think off the needs of others. It's people who want to twist and contort the message that are to blame. Blaming religion is just as bad as blaming science, it's still taking something you have a limited understanding of and applying it to all the evil in the world. A simple: if we remove this then nothing bad will ever happen ever again. the issue of the ongoing threat of violence in our world is not going to be solved with a simple solution otherwise we would have solved it by now. Sorry and it's not you seriously I meant that and I am so sorry if I've come off aggressively but I am sick to death of having to explain why religious people are not inherently evil. As a christian I hate this notion that I should have to abandon my beliefs out of fear that other people might kill others based on them. I can see your point Timewarp. The issue is not with religion itself, but how people treat it. What I mean is some people who are religious go too far with their religion and use it as an excuse for violence or ignorance. Yet this does not mean that all religion is bad. Nor is it just religious people who have this issue. Those who are not religious can also go to far and will attack religion for one reason or another. What the world needs isn't complete absence of religion nor a complete absence of scientific advancement. No, what it needs is balance and understanding. If religion did not exist then science would not be mediated. It would likely advance too quickly and cause problems. If science did not exist then it is likely that the human race would of died off years ago due to disease and famine. Its like yin and yang. You need both. Absence of one just causes imbalance and absence of both would put us into a state of null. |
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Post by Timewarp on Apr 20, 2014 15:39:23 GMT -5
I know most of the anger came from me arguing with this asshole atheist on youtube, he addressed me as "your kind" since it's easier to argue against someone when you dehumanize them. You get these guys all the time, people who want to attribute all of human violence so a singular group of people.
And I agree completely science and religion is a case of yin and yang although I'd say we should make sure we don't do anything out of spite towards the other. For example some scientist want to disprove god via certain theories and may I be the first to point out that we win nothing by disproving god. I'm not saying god is real only that disproving god is like finding out whether cats can become addictive to washing machines.
Ok what did we learn? There's no god. What does that mean for us? There's no god. Why did we need to know that there was no god? We didn't. Do why did we do that instead of the countless other things we could have been doing that would have contributed to our advancing as a species?
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Post by CS Revolked on Apr 20, 2014 17:32:33 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm gonna stop here before I cause another shizstorm. I have a habit of doing that.
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Post by Timewarp on Apr 21, 2014 7:16:51 GMT -5
You know it doesn't help when you put "The stuff I said would've created more trouble then needed" I'm a religious person, it's not cool to have other people talk about my firmly held believes like it's the cause of all evil in the world.
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Post by FlameMaster5 on Apr 21, 2014 13:43:36 GMT -5
I'm also a Christian.
I think people forget that if they want others to come to a decision and accept a belief, that it must be shared with them rather than forced on them. And for those that express their beliefs passionately, some people see that as forced upon others - whether said person meant to or not.
You can see how easy arguments arise.
My mother used to read the Bible to me and my sister when we were children. We went to church every Sunday as kids, had early morning Bible studies together before our homeschooling, and we were encouraged to ask our mom anything Bible-related.
So one day when we went to church, I sat there in the pew with my mom and sister until services were over and then the preacher asked if there was anyone who wanted to be baptized.
I stood up.
My mom didn't tell me to, I just wanted to.
I was 9yrs old that day.
My mom shared this belief with us.
My dad was not a Christian, and treated us badly.
I made a decision based on what differences I saw between them, and many other people.
That's all.
I have come to understand so much since then.
That love can really overcome a lot of things.
Even other ideals, make people feel equal.
Because we ARE all equal.
Take away all this world has given us, and we are nothing.
We have to accept that one day we will die.
^Oh, yes.
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