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ok here is my first real drawing I'm going to post on this forum. It is essentially an idea I came up with while talking to Haunter. If the Valritron are the darkness of the future then where is the light. So I came up with the Ornitron.

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The idea is that they are the equals of the Valritron but instead of being mindless killing machines they are almost equally mindless defenders. They will do any thing to protect life including destroying themselves should they become a threat. I know that's the way the Valritron started sorta but the thing that kept them on the righteous path was that before one could go corrupt and start killing people to keep them from dying they deactivate. They essentially work on the 3 Laws of Robotics that were in I, Robot (the book, not the movie). The same rules can be applied to the Valritron but they added the Zeroth rule which is to do what is best for society even if it means killing people.

[Haunter 360]

Cooooooooooool...

That's cool.
A sorta parallel Valritron!
Dude!



Well, cool. Awesomeness!
I always like stuff to do with Valritron.

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Basicly they answer the question of how to neutralize a threat that is invincible. You get something equally invincible to draw their fire away.

There are also several other differences between the two factions in design and function. The drawing above was more of a rough sketch since I'm not a great artist to begin with and I'm even worse at drawing with a mouse. What I envision the Ornitron is more of bird-like machine (hence the orni in the name). While they are as equally indestructible as a Valritron and can absorb most energy with their armor, they lack the super density and ability to absorb kinetic energy that make the Valritron essentially unmoveable. But this also means that they are extremely agile compared to a Valritron and also have more space for better internal mechanics.
While this means that a single blow from a Valritron can send a Ornitron flying it also means that the Valritron will be extremely lucky to have gotten that hit as the Ornitron will usually be one step ahead of it. Also added to this is the fact that the Ornitron has more advanced weaponry systems (which just means it has enough fire power to slow a Valritron's advance a bit and slowly whittle its armor down. Slowly in this case is about as fast as a continent) and has better sensors and combat processors. This sort of makes a fight between a Valritron and an Ornitron like a fight between a Tiger and an Elephant. The elephant can easily crush the tiger. But the tiger makes itself nearly impossible to hit by dodging in and out each time slashing the elephant. Slowly the elephant will bleed to death.

I will admit that in a head on fight it would likely take about a year for one to destroy the other. Unless they found a weakness in the other. As Haunter has yet to relveal the Valritron weakness I will not reveal the Ornitron's weaknesses.

I'd also much appreciate it if somebody were to re-draw the ornitron picture. Try to make it more bird-like if possible but keep the axe like head. Valritron have weird Pentagon head while Ornitron have a weird Axe like head. Makes sense right?

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I'll see what i can do Jugger. Myt also see if i can draw another valrition so i can do a sorta battle scene. I will try a seperate pic of The Ornitron and then try the battle pic. I could also tru and do a Valrition and Ornitron commander pics if i was given a description.

[Haunter 360]

Well, there's a couple of problems which I can see with your idea...

1 - Close range, Valritron AREN'T slow. Using fast processors, and strong metchanics, they are easily able to match the speed of a master swordsman. Proof of this is in 'Dante In The Future', where one outfights Dante. And they aren't easily distracted.
2 - Valritron armour is a substance called Shadowphroxis (Shadow-Fer-Ox-Iss), and is unbreakable and unmovable by any creature in the universe. In fact, there is only one being that can wield it...
3 - I'm not even gonna say. I'll reveal it on DFD.


... Just a few problems.
ALTHOUGH... I gotta say, I like the Ornitron!
Pretty cool, pretty darn cool, and at the VERY least more than a match for most tools of the Valritron.


... But uh, I kinda need to ask something.
Can you try NOT to start trying to create machines that are somehow able to fight the Valritron directly, okay?
It... Kinda belittles them.
And it belittles quite a few characters, who are unable to fight them.
So uh, try to draw your attention AWAY from the Valritron for a little bit, okay? They represent pretty invincible enemies.
Enemies which only leave your characters the choice of retreat...
Or death.
There's only one being, which I designed, capable of matching a Valritron's power...

So, try not to form Valritron-fighting clubs.
Afterall, how'd you feel if I created a being that commanded your 'Powers That Be'?



Still, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this machine, seriously!
I just... Well, I'm a bit picky about certain things.
Hopefully, we can get to see the Ornitron, in the RPG I will one day hopefully make...
One set in the future, similar to a post-Apocalypse.

(And no, I didn't steal the idea from Juggernaut. I have proof that I didn't - Hazard is a designated character in the Valritron story!)

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Sorry I just figured balance was a good thing. They can't defeat the Valritron and the Valritron can't defeat them. They just create an interesting way to give the heroes an escape route while the Ornitron stalls the Valritron.

And as far as the powers that be comparison... Why shouldn't there be something bigger than them that pulls their strings? And somebody that pulls that guys strings? And so on and so forth. In these fantasy type things nobody is truely above destiny. Even malicious invincible walking slaughter houses of doom and all around badness.

[Haunter 360]

Well,, I sorted out some stuff with ya.
So, yeah!



And yes, there is one pulling the strings on the Valritron.
Valritron themselves are not the ultimate enemies.
They are simply the as-yet undefeated conquers of everything.
In a manner of speaking.

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ok I've got an idea of what a Ornitron Commander would look like. He's got that Axe head thing going of course and he had a very bird like body. He's also got a buldge on his back that contains an improved processor and communications relay equipment. Along with this he has the standard load out of two wrist mounted Anti-Proton Cannons in addition to a heavy Guass Cannon which fires singularity bullets (these are essentially super dense pieces of matter that would at the very least cause a Valritron to stop mid stride and think, "NO MERCY! THE HECK WAS THAT THING?!? NO MERCY!") And lastly it has a more dectrative design with stripes along its axe head that look much like tiger stripes but are instead on the standard sleight grey the Ornitron. And on the edge of its head, like all Ornitron, is its designation number with the bottom of the numbers along the edge of the head. and for the final feature the visor is blue.

Hope that's good enough

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ok let me just be up front. I did not draw any of these and I don't know exactly who did. I just sorta wanted to pop 'em up here to give an idea what some of my things look like.

www.goodman-games.com/images/MM03kabuto.jpg

This is always sorta what an enforcer looked like in my mind. Sorta like a beetle. The difference between this thing and enforcer though is that an enforcer has twelve large ball turret guns placed at an even interval around the edge of it and it also has only 4 legs that are much bulkier than those on this thing

www.ableekertomorrow.com/042106charscolor/ancient.jpg

this one was flippin' creepy. I never saw this before today and yet it looks eerily similar to an Ornitron. I came up with the Ornitron in five minutes and drew that picture of it in about a minute flat so that were pretty much a spur of the moment thing. Now the most creepy thing is the head. It looks way too much like the Axe-like head of an Ornitron. Actually this is very much what I think the final version of the Ornitron should look like just with out the claws and sword and with a laser mounted on the right arm.

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Pretty sure I put this somewhere else but not exactly sure so I'll just pop it here too. This is basicly what Mechanos has turned into of the gradual evolution of his form. I will admit that a few things are different from his picture such as coloration and weapons mountings not to mention a few more joints so that different section of his body can open for maintenance or installing equipment.

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hey hats pretty cool